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enigmista
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 Posted - 05/06/2007 : 05:12:12
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Hello This is my first post 
Like 3d I've a problem with this Subnotebook.I bought it through Ebay,and I think it comes without OS installed!!!
After boot the machine stopped with "C:\>" ,and I don't know what I need to do...I see on the Board that install a new OS in this machine are really hard and difficult,I haven't external cd rom or floppy...
I think also that if no OS is installed,the system need to show "NO OS Found" like in other pc without OS installed...I'm so confused 
Thanks
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NigelS
Senior Member Member
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 11:21:12
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There should be a Microsoft Windows "Product Key" sticker on the bottom of the 1120. That sticker licences the PC to an OS. Which OS is it? (XP? 2000?) Did the 1120 actually come with an external usb disc player? To install the OS on an 1120 does normally take special hardware (external CDROM) and experience/knowledge, but on the other hand sometimes you can use an easier path. With the "Product Key" number you can borrow anyone's Windows OS CD and then activate it online, or you can buy a low-priced Windows (OEM) CD from a retailer. Another way might be to copy or "clone" an OS from a functioning PC. Here is cheap cloning software / harddrive case that works pretty well (not as nice as Norton Ghost or Acronis but still works): http://www.apricorn.com/product_detail.php?id=1023&type=reg I presume in your situation you would remove the HD, clone another OS to it and then activate it online using the PK number. http://www.leog.net/hard%20disk%20upgrade.htm If not then just take it to any repair shop!
PS - I see you are curious as to whether or not the present/missing OS is the real issue. Put the hard drive into another notebook (or usb enclosure) and you should find out. |
Edited by - NigelS on 05/06/2007 11:29:44 |
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enigmista
Starting Member
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 11:46:50
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Thanks for fast Reply.
Yes there is a sticker with windows XP cd-key,as I've already say in first post I don't have any external usb CD-ROM or Floppy... I could buy external CD-rom but I don't know which one can be compatible with p1120? There is a brand surely compatible with p1120 or any ext USB cd-rom can works?
PS.I don't want to put off the HD 'cause I'm not a great technician!!! |
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NigelS
Senior Member Member
Canada
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Posted - 05/06/2007 : 14:03:47
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First I would like to say that removing a hard drive is very easy (use new screwdrivers though - this is important, $10 for a small set). You just have to go easy on the electrical "ribbon" it is connected to. Hard drives are tough and meant to be taken out & put back in - do not worry about it.
As far as the external USB CDROM goes, they all work, but only a few models are active during the 1120 boot-process. According to the archived posts here at LeoG you can only tell by trying them. One guy said an old TEAC (model CD-210PU) works for sure - available only from eBay. This is why I am a fan of the cloned drive - too many unknowns about the hardware!
Keep in mind you still need a Windows CD to install the OS and you are NOT certain that the OS is the problem, anyway. I would still test the hard drive using another PC. |
Edited by - NigelS on 05/06/2007 14:14:02 |
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enigmista
Starting Member
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Posted - 05/07/2007 : 05:34:00
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Thanks again....
I read more and more 3d in this Board about my problem...and I think that the only way to solve my problem without put off the HD seems to be USB floppy + PCMCIA CD-ROM!!!
If all generic usb floppy 1.1 can work in p1120...I need the 6/7 floppy of windows XP,that have pcmcia support, and run setup from pcmcia cd-rom! This is only my supposition...Any suggestion are welcome!!!
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enigmista
Starting Member
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Posted - 05/10/2007 : 13:39:22
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Hi all,
Finally I put off the HD,but now don't understand well what "copy OS from functioning PC"...This mean that I can do a ghost image of my Desktop OS and put it into HD and then re-insert HD into laptop???
I've bought also a USB floppy and seems to work well, machine recognize it.
Please Help me!
EDIT: I forgot, I've also a USB External CASE that fit the HD...if this can help me to install any OS in this Damned laptop!!!  |
Edited by - enigmista on 05/10/2007 13:44:30 |
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NigelS
Senior Member Member
Canada
1339 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2007 : 19:53:37
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Ghosting or cloning an OS from your desktop may or may not work (I have never done it). It would be an interesting experiment (or a frustrating one...;)) enigmista there is a lot of information you a.) keep sitting on and b.) simply do not know and need to find out. For instance, is all your P 1120 hardware working OK? If the removed hard drive is "fine" a usb-connection to a functioning XP PC will show it is operating as soon as you plug it in. Does it spin? Does it "show" on your desktop as and "external drive"? Or is it "dead"? I would be interested to see if the FAT partition is intact, or corrupt. IF IT IS intact then you could (in theory) activate the DISE partition using restore floppy disks. Or - if you were able to rescue the DISE PQI file / FAT partition and copy it to a DVD, there is a way to execute the Windows restore install from a healthy PC onto your HD. Or (correct me if I'm wrong someone - I usually am) IF you have a Windows OS disk, you can install it to your removed notebook drive via an functioning desktop w/ CDROM drive and then re-install it and have it activated using the product key sticker on your P Series. This information is available all over the internet and in the archives here at LeoG. But you need to have some resources of your own plus some ability. No one at a forum is going to lead you post-by-post through something like this. (We all have other things to do). Posters at forums can only give you ideas and point you in a direction you hadn't yet thought of. The rest is up to you (and your time and money). You haven't been very helpful about asking for help. You offer very few details and do not reveal what resources you have or are willing to get. Look how long it took you to mention you have access to a desktop, for instance. Judging by the kind of questions you ask, I would guess you have very little experience (same with me - nothing to be shy about) and very few resources. If this is the case, then I would advise a you to get a PC repair shop have a look at it. Get them to give you an estimate and go from there. The answers otherwise depend on what resources you have available to you - here is just one example: http://www.leog.net/fujp_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10088
Further - engmista, if you are short on resources to try a DISE emergency floppy boot (might work) here is a source for the downloadable software: text (readme) ftp://oion.net/FujitsuP/FujitsuDISE_Floppies.txt and the software itself ftp://oion.net/FujitsuP/FujitsuDISE_Floppies.exe Finally, this is the 1120 manual (see manual page no. 49 "Creating Drive Image SE Diskettes" Note: You can use a DISE disk to boot your machine and
run DISE if your machine is not bootable or if you do not have access to Windows.") http://www.fujitsupc.com//www/content/pdf/usermanuals/pseries/P1120%20-%20Web.pdf |
Edited by - NigelS on 05/11/2007 12:12:15 |
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peanut
Junior Member
United Kingdom
169 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2007 : 17:29:22
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No ghosting an image of the OS (operating system) from another PC will not work on a Fujitsu P or any other laptop or PC because the installation is specific to the bios in the PC you installed on.
You can ghost Windows 98SE on any computer and transfer it to another computer laptop and it will almost certainly boot and load windows. However MS wizard will immediately pester the life out of you for all the missing drivers and you woun't be able to install them very easily.
Your best bet is this .
Attach the Fujitsu drive to another PC on the IDE0 using a special 3.5" to 2.5" adaptor or adaptor cable . (remove the normal hard drive)
Boot from a floppy drive using a Win98 Boot disc. (you can download from internet.)
http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm
Type [Fdisk ] at the command prompt (remove the brackets obviously)
Select option 4 and see what partitions are installed.
Remove all partitions
Install new partition/s
Make first partition active.
esc switch off
Reboot from boot disc with Win98se CD in optical drive.
Type [format C:/s ] note space between t & C
When finished type SETUP and install win98 from CD
[http://hardwarehell.com/articles/fdisk.htm]
When installed remove the Fujitsu drive and replace the normal PC drive back.
Reboot your PC as normal from the original drive set as master. Plug in the fujitsu drive either as a slave on the IDE0 or in the USB port as external drive.(need a special lead)
Using Windows Explorer copy/paste all of Windows XP and all the Fujitsu XP drivers onto the C: drive of the Fujitsu drive .Put them into a new folder named say `win2k' or `winxp' I would also add any other driver or software you might need too at this stage like WINZIP and wireless PCMCIA card driver etc.
Place the fujitsu drive back into the fujitsu it should boot and load win98se normally.
Cancel all the drivers wizards until you get to desktop. Do not re-boot if asked .
Run the Win XP SETUP file from within the C:/ drive.When win2k or winxp is installed reboot
Then install the drivers from the C:/ drive using MS Wizard
Then you can use a USB memory stick to install anything else unless you can get the wireless card working and install from your network.
It should be possible to install WinXP from a (pen drive)memory stick but because you are in Win98se you would need to install the USB pendrive drivers first .
This seems like a lot of work but it works cos I have done it with two Fujitsu laptops this w/e a P1120 and a P7010
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Edited by - peanut on 06/23/2007 08:23:32 |
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NigelS
Senior Member Member
Canada
1339 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2007 : 04:40:06
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Thanks for the excellent contribution, peanut. I see you've covered this topic a number of times here at LeoG!
http://www.leog.net/fujp_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8575
Over the past week I've tried 3 or 4 methods for external installs and failed at all of them. I don't really need an external install, but was interested in the process. What I learned is that it is incredibly difficult. I think that unless I had an illustrated manual, I'd never get there. There are "short lists" all over the internet describing variations of the external install, but unless a person is real proficient in technical-eze then major errors can occur anywhere. Even the boot disks you can download aren't all uniform. Here is the version I struggled the most with:
Connect Laptop HDD to floppy/CDROM capable system > format the HDD and create 2 FAT32 partitions > next copy 98SE bootdisk files to the primary partition (set this partition to be active) > List of essential files: command.com, config.sys, drvspace.bin, Himem.sys, IO.sys, ramdrive.sys, msdos.sys, > next in the secondary partition copy: smartdrv.exe, format.com (usually located in EBD.cab), as well as the i386 folder of an XP CD, and your own notebook applications and drivers > add a winnt.sif file to the i386 folder > next insert the 98SE bootdisk into the floppy drive on the system > reboot > at the "A: prompt" type C: then hit enter and verify the bootfiles you copied earlier are there > now type and enter A: to go back > next type sys C: hit enter > once system is copied, shutdown > boot without the floppy > at the C-prompt type D: hit enter to access the secondary partition > type smartdrv and enter (to make the process of copying faster) > then type format /Q C: to format the C: drive and clean up the 98se files > type CD i386 to switch to windows files folder with all setup files > then use the winnt.exe to start the setup (takes a long time)
http://www.syschat.com/install-windows-xp-without-floppy-cd-463.html
For whatever reason I couldn't make it work, and am tired of trying. I DID learn one useful thing, however, which is that if a person has saved / cloned / borrowed a copy of their P's pqi factory restore partition, it is definitely functional if you first boot a Fujitsu restore floppy: ftp://oion.net/FujitsuP/FujitsuDISE_Floppies.exe BUT you have to have a functional trackpoint/cursor and you have to know to open the "Options" file (top left). The floppy interface as it presents itself leads you to the impression that you need to use 'Restore Backup' which simply fails. |
Edited by - NigelS on 05/21/2007 04:49:34 |
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peanut
Junior Member
United Kingdom
169 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2007 : 19:49:49
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sorry to hear that you have been having such problems Nigel
I don't undertand the discription you have posted myself !
I would say that it is unecessarily complicated. If anyone follows my dierections to the letter they will get a bootable Win 98se drive every time.once there it is easy to install win2k or XP as I discribe. If anyone has any queries regarding any bit of the process I would be happy to assist any way I can
Its not pretty and its probably not the quickest way but its simple and it works |
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NigelS
Senior Member Member
Canada
1339 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2007 : 15:29:07
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| Question: why Windows 98 OS? (...and can I get a free copy from MS now that they've abandoned it? I don't think that many people have access to W98 is the problem here.) I presume it's technical simplicity lends to an easier process? |
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peanut
Junior Member
United Kingdom
169 Posts |
Posted - 05/22/2007 : 18:52:55
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good question.... I see you have been paying attention , move to the top of the class hee hee
Windows 98 will boot on any computer ! you can install it on a hard drive in a toshiba laptop take the hard drive out shove it into a Dell PC on a IDE adaptor and it will boot and load windows . No other windows OS will do that.
This means that you can copy XP and all the drivers and all the other software onto the hard drive transfer the drive into the final laptop and install all of it from the internal hard drive .
To be honest I am still using the original win98se OS I purchased nearly 7 years ago but I have had to copy it a few times because it wears out through so much use. Lots of licenced versions on fleabay for 20$ or so its a real life saver for me as is the floppy drive
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Edited by - peanut on 05/22/2007 19:01:03 |
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cinta
Starting Member
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Posted - 06/19/2007 : 10:33:26
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hi Peanut, i have followed your instructions to make a clean installation of W2k in my P1120 but I can't launch \i386\winnt.exe (nor winnt32.exe) from the w98SE environment. It says it "is not a valid Win32 application". Does it make sense to you?
thanks in advance,
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peanut
Junior Member
United Kingdom
169 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2007 : 08:09:16
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cinta if you have followed my instructions to the letter then you should not have any problems at all.
You should have copied the entire Windows 2000 (or Windows XP files) to a new folder (call it win2k or something) on your hard drive before swopping it back to the P1120 . Did you do that ?
Then you boot the P1120 with win98 and then you select `start' `run' browse for the `win2k' folder . Look for the `SETUP' file in the Win2k folder and select and run then the win2000 install should start automatically exactly as it would if you were using a CD in a CD drive.
I think you need to re-read the instructions very carefully and make sure that you do not modify it or alter anything and it is exactly to the letter as I describe. Please post on here not private message ,that way everyone can hopefully benefit. |
Edited by - peanut on 06/23/2007 08:24:35 |
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cinta
Starting Member
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Posted - 07/08/2007 : 10:58:12
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thanks Peanut, I appreciate. I think I followed your instructions, only I copied the W2K files in the extracted HD with the help of a USB external case and not with the IDE cable. Secondly, I tried to install, as told in different posts, clicking on winnt.exe or winnt32.exe, and I understand now you do it from start/run/w2k/setup.exe. Do you believe it's this what makes the difference?
My experience was i.e.: clicking fron w98SE at winnt and winnt32, "this is not a valid Win32 application"; running them from DOS: "this program is too big". Running setup.exe from DOS: it reads "this needs DOS 8.0".
Now I went back installing the image I did myself from the p1120, just when I bought it, which has W2K but with several users installed, it's a bit clogged and needs 2,5 minutes to launch and the same to shutdown.
Before your answer I was ready to conform with this previous installation and try just to clean it, applying all the tweaks here recommended, i.e by Connie: "I use Systweak Boost XP, Systweak Advanced Registry Optomizer, Registry Fix, Tweak XP Tweaking Utility, Tweak UI, Tracks Eraser Pro, and Spybot Search & Destroy for general "housekeeping"" plus XQDC, LitePC (XPLite&2000Lite) and other mention Tweak UI, CacheMan and Sysinternal Process.
- if I take this way, my doubts are whether should I install and use all of these at the same time? aren't some of them very similar? Could performance be affected by having several previous users, can I ruin something if I just kill them and create a new one?
- Or: should I try from this W2K to reinstall a clean W2K? or even restart again from a W98 install and climb your way to a new W2K installation?
thank you very much for your tips.
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